Posts by Aussie Oz

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Royal Commission nto child sex abuse - confidentiality

by Listener in

this was reported in the west australian newspaper yesterday.

"victims' agreements no bar for abuse inquiry - the head of the royal commission into child sex abuse has warned institutions they will not be able to hide behind confidential.ity agreements to stymie scrutiny of their conduct or stop victims speaking out.

in his first public comments since his appointment, justice peter mcclellan said the commission wold not hesitate to use its power to compel organisations to give evidence if deemed to be necessary for the inquiry.... some legal experts had suggested that the royal commission would not be able to override confidentiality agreements signed by victims when settling claims against organisations but justice mcclellan made clear the agreements would not be a barrier.

Aussie Oz

This will take more than one and a half years.

While this is a great step and may do some good, i think it be be a lame dog. Royal commissions in our country are renowned for being total wastes of time and resources, It will cost many many millions, issue a report that will get bounced around and disected, another commision will examine the firsts report and make a few recomendations that will make complience of some new laws compulsory at best and at worst reject the findings of the first. The WT will be the only one to not follow through and will get away with it for another 10 years before another 'Unthank' brings it to the governments attention so they can declare it is not in the public interest again.

It annoys me no end that governments go through the motions of 'looking like they are doing something' while really doing sweet nothing. They KNOW there is a problem, one govt dept with appropriate powers could dig all the dirt needed to bury these institutions.

Instead we will have blah blah blah for the next 3 years while they talk about whether or not to do something about what they already know. They will bring in witness after witness, expert after expert and try to decide if they can legally do this or that. The likelyhood of them enforcing changes of religions policies is very low. Even our athiest prime minister said recently regarding our discrimination laws that the chuches were exempted from laws and could continue to discriminate against gays as they follow the bible as their faith.

sorry i am not an optomist! I hope i am proven wrong and have to eat my words, but i have seen how the various state and federal governments, police and judicial systems promise everything and deliver nothing on important social ills such as workplace bullying and various institutions rights to run amuck unchecked because of technicalities of words and loopholes. I expect the same with this. While I cannot speak for Mr Unthank, perhaps even he would have doubts about any real outcome after the way his efforts were thwarted last year in Victoria.

Oz

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2+2=5 cited this fact about the shrinking amount of elders. Perhaps the coming implosion?

by wha happened? in

at the last elders school i heard from a few different attendees that the average age was easily 60+.

there will be a lot of elders gone within the next 10yrs.

there is nowhere near enough young brothers to replace these ageing elders.

Aussie Oz

"Which sisters here would like their husbands to reach out and become a elder?" Over a hundred hands popped up by eager potential women

Funny that!

It's a double reason i think. One, the idea that if said slacker husband becomes an elder he is obviously a 'spiritual' man and will lead the wifey to salvation riding on his coat tails, two, the prestige. One thing that upset my now ex wife was the lowering of her status...no longer the wife of a MS going places. And the other challenge it gave her was that now she had to stand on her own feet in front of the JWS and 'jehovah' regarding the status of her own spirituality.

oz

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Jehovah's Witness Child Molester

by free2beme in

my best man at my wedding, twenty years ago, was someone i always trusted.

he was a friend for fishing, a friend who remained when i left the religion with my wife 15 years ago and although he was a bit issolated.

i kind of trusted him.

Aussie Oz

And what fuss will be made of the perp when he gets in good standing again, pioneering behind bars. what a marvelous god jehovah is, so loving and merciful to have allowed a lost sheep to be found.

never mind the ones he chased out of the faith.

oz

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2+2=5 cited this fact about the shrinking amount of elders. Perhaps the coming implosion?

by wha happened? in

at the last elders school i heard from a few different attendees that the average age was easily 60+.

there will be a lot of elders gone within the next 10yrs.

there is nowhere near enough young brothers to replace these ageing elders.

Aussie Oz

I would surmise that the WT are fully aware of the slow death and are prepared for it.

I can see at JW world where the growth of years past are replaced by decreases, not just odd ones here and there but marked globally noticable and not denied by the GB. In fact, used by the GB to keep themselves relevant.

As numbers reverse and congregations are merged instead of split off and made to share halls, they will also have the obvious elder bleed. It would not be inconceivable for them to drop the current elder, MS arrangement with a bit of new light and go back to the old days of one person as congregation servant. One man in charge of each congregation, laying the law down exactly as issued down the line. Maybe even allowing sisiters to do a few things as they do in areas of very low male publishers.

They are getting tighter and more culty than ever with the whole obey attitude. Losses are easy to pass off to the rank and file as being cleansed from the organization. Easy to tell the rank and file that the end is so close that there is no need for more congregations, it's time to bunker down and obey even more than ever, the preaching work is all but finished to 'jehovahs' satisfaction.

I see smaller groups, tightly controlled by less men weilding greater power. The low pool of good men willing to be used will leave the bottom dwellers to rise as 'elders' to abuse the flock. Something that will no doubt suit the corrupt men at the top while they screw as much money as they can from the sheep to keep themselves in comfort.

I see them becoming less relevant (is that possible?) than ever and becoming a quaint little fly under the radar high control group with meetings in gated conventions. One that people will by and large forget about as some annoying door knockers of days gone by.

Not a pretty situation for those that remain in.

Oz

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2+2=5 cited this fact about the shrinking amount of elders. Perhaps the coming implosion?

by wha happened? in

at the last elders school i heard from a few different attendees that the average age was easily 60+.

there will be a lot of elders gone within the next 10yrs.

there is nowhere near enough young brothers to replace these ageing elders.

Aussie Oz

Marked to come back to later...

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Dilemna on shepherding

by happy@last in

jw
friends

my wife told me of a friend of hers who is going through a difficult time in their life.

they are what i would describe as a 'blind follower' of wt teachings, but it does give them structure that would otherwise not be there in their life.

anyhow, this person is having a tough time, the elders know about it and yet not one of them has either visited or called to see how they are!.

Aussie Oz

The elders are doing nothing because there is nothing they can do.

When elders visit the weak its to try to get them into service, when elders visit the strong it's for a coffee.

Your wife can do more than elders ever will. That may well wake her up more than anything.

oz

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What Was Your "Status" Within The Organization?

by minimus in

jw
friends

were you a sought after associate?.

were you often invisible?.

did other witnesses view you as "exemplary"?.

Aussie Oz

Baptised at 18, and considered good enough to open mettings with prayer. During my twenties I was considered an 'idiot', told so by an elder and a wannabe elder MS on a shepherding call. man i wish i had seen the light right then and there!

Worked hard to be spiritual after that and became a regular pioneer along with wife, became a MS, did accounts, went on shepherding calls. Moved to serve where the need was great? at the beach no less! We were the congs golden children, the ones most likely to succeed, went to all the gilead meetings at conventions, applied and were accepted for bethel construction in Oz, had to cancel as we got knocked up.

I was on a fast track to elder as best i could tell, I mean, the elder body just loved me, everyone did. I dont mean to sound like i had tickets on myself, i mean to say they had great expectations because were were real popular and seen as good asscociation.

I gave public talks around adelaide and even interstate, took a bookstudy if the elder was sick, Amazing what you can do when you are trying to kill your authentic self.

Then i dropped the bomb about my double life, my dead faith, my disbeleif in god caring. They were so desperate to keep me as an MS they let me remain as one until I said no more.

Funny thing is that i never saw any shonky elders, no golden handshakes, was never privy to scandels. I was so dumb that i never questioned a single 'truth'. What i questioned was my own evilness and lack of faith.

I disapeared from WT life like a blown light bulb. Not one single 'friend' ever ever approached me again even though they knew no details (other than what my now hateful wife must have told them)

All that confirmed to me that they were false friends every single solitary one of them. There is not a genuine caring bone in that god forsaken evildom of a 'religion'

So glad to have left.

Oz

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How Long has it Been since you Last Attended Meetings and What Caused...

by flipper in

jw
friends

..... you to stop attending ?

injustices ?

disagree with the teachings ?

Aussie Oz

I stopped in 1998.

I had lost all trust that I mattered to God. My internal battles over the flesh and spirituality near killed me literally. I didnt think prayer did anything other than bounce off the ceiling and was nothing more than an empty ritual at meetings. I studied and prayed like crazy and nothing, nadda, zip. Nothing from the so called caring god, not one blip of transmission or even comfort. The elders were useless, just repeating WT rhetoric of pray and study.

I pretty much decided I wanted to be a 'worldly person', free from the things in christianity that were sucking the life out of me. They were crushing me to death by making what were normal things and desires into signs of evilness.

I dropped all 'privledges' and stopped door to door, then all meetings. It was a horrible time of my life, my wife loathed me. I left the marriage. As hard as that was, I still believe it was the correct thing to do.

life since has had a few downs, but nothing like being a JW, just normal stuff. I am glad to say that with no support group around, i was able to repair the damage to my self and build a new life. A real good one, far better than anything i could have had as a WT slave.

Oz

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WatchTower 1/2013 Not THE END again?!

by BlindersOff1 in

another interesting video by "the snarky apologist" on youtube.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3aqh5xnzxa&feature=em-uploademail.

Aussie Oz

And if that fire lookout guy reports 20 false alarms...HE LOSES HIS JOB you dumb pricks!

Why do they need to keep alert so that jesus accepts them? I though he already did that in 1919...

Oz

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Another sad non jw falling for a baptised jw girl story

by spirituk in

ok ,so this is my story , this jw girl came on vacation in my country as a friend of my girl-cousin who is not a jw but were classmates at uni .

my cousin introduced her to me but she didnt tell me that she was a jw from the very first moment we flirt each other.we went on beach ,on bars ,cafes etc and she acted so wordly ,in fact i thought she could be a good one night stand with her behaviour .never saw anything weird about her that could lead me to question something, with the peak in the club where we danced together while hugging very passionatly .

i tried to kiss her that night but she kept her distance , i didnt notice any bad on that.anyway, next day we flirt again at the the beach and at night too .

Aussie Oz

She had her fun, accused you of being different so she could ease her conscience.

you should have listened to your friend at the start and not pursued her.

you know the right answer, you just don't want to hear it...so hear it is;

RUN

how loud do need that yelled?

oz